In Trump
Cases DDC Judge Hears Mo Brooks and
Eschews Congressional Baseball Shooting
By Matthew
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FEDERAL COURT,
Jan 10 – There was in the U.S.
District Court for the
District of Columbia on
January 10 an oral argument in
three cases against Trump,
THOMPSON, SWALWELL &
BLASSINGAME before Judge Amit
P. Mehta - Inner City Press
live tweeted, here:
Trumps' lawyer:
The Congressional Democratic
plaintiffs are hoping this
court will help them score
points --
Judge Mehta: Can
we just turn to the legal
principles, rather than
rhetoric? What about Nixon
case and immunity? What
function was President Trump
performing with his various
tweets and his speech on
January 6?
Trump's lawyer:
The test is broader. This has
to be content neutral
analysis. You can't just look
at the words that were spoken.
Judge Mehta:
You'd have me ignore what he
actually said? Trump's lawyer:
Yes. Speaking to the American
people is something that
Presidents do. Like, fireside
chats.
Judge Mehta: Even
if it has nothing to do with
the duties of the President?
Trump's lawyer:
Right.
Judge Mehta: Do
you argue that statements made
in his capacity as a candidate
would fall outside --
Trump's lawyer:
Yes, a President could use
what he said in State of the
Union out on the trail. Judge
Mehta: Isn't that contrary to
what the Supreme Court has
said?
Judge
Mehta: What about the
president's call to the state
official in Georgia - does he
have immunity?
Trump's lawyer:
Yes. It is the President's
duty to make sure the laws are
faithfully executed -
Judge Mehta: Not state laws.
Trump's lawyer: I'm getting
there.
Trump's
lawyer: In the Fitzgerald
case, there are remedies
available to members of
Congress. They voted for
articles of impeachment and
they failed. They don't get
another bite at the apple.
Judge Mehta: If there anything
a President could say that
could be sued?
Trump's
lawyer: Maybe if a president
signed a lease for his
campaign office... But if a
judge frees a defendant on
bond and the defendant runs
someone over, you can't have
the judge getting sued. It's
Pandora's box.
Trump's lawyer:
For example, President Obama
in a speech spoke about the
Citizens United decision,
something he does not have
authority over. But he has
immunity. Or if a president
spoke for the Equal Rights
Amendment. It must be
immunity.
Judge
Mehta: Let's hear from the
plaintiffs'. Mr. Sellers.
Sellers: The Court has to look
at what was said. The
President could be promoting
treason. [Cites Paula Jones vs
Bill Clinton case] What he
spoke about was a campaign
issue seeking to secure
re-election
Joseph
Sellers: Mr. Trump's efforts
to secure his re-election, he
wanted the counts suspended --
Judge Mehta: Can we take a
broader view? There was
Congressional action being
taken. Doesn't the President
have a right to try to
influence it?
Sellers: He has
no role in counting the
ballots. It's the VP. And he
has no legitimate role in
fomenting an insurrection
directed at Congress. Mr.
Trump dispatched a crowd and
after he saw the break-in, he
re-tweeted his remarks
Sellers:
This goes beyond a traffic
ticket - Judge Mehta: What
about Nixon and Fitzgerald?
Plaintiffs'
lawyer Seller: Nixon was
within his functions in a
personnel action. Here, it's
fomenting an insurrection. He
did this with third party
agents, with the crowd
Sellers: I
wanted to give my colleagues a
chance.
Patrick A. Malone
for Blassingame plaintiffs: In
Fitzgerald, yes President
Nixon had that power. But not
here. This was personal
conduct, as a candidate.
Lawyer for
Swalwell: Nixon firing
Fitzgerald was clearly within
the President's duties. Here's
it different, whether he was
doing it to try to overturn
the election or just for
sport. Even Mr. Binnall's
[Trump's lawyer] required some
inquiry
Giuliani's lawyer
Sibley: The conspiracy has to
include a huddle. But they
have a plausibility problem.
You can't construe the
statements as an invitation to
a conspiracy to go to the
Capitol and commit crimes.
Judge Mehta: Why not? They
chanted, Let's storm it
Sibley is called
Judge Mehta "his Honor," not
"Your Honor." He says, Let's
assume January 6 didn't
happen, as to the violence.
Would President Trump's speech
be actionable? No. Whereas if
I yell fire in a crowded
theater and no one runs, it's
still a crime
Judge
Mehta: President Trump didn't
do anything as it got out of
hand. Sibley: If I give a
speech that inspires people to
have hatred against a
particular group but I don't
call for violence, you can't
look at the result. You have
to look at the speech.
Judge Mehta:
Let's stick to the facts. An
invitation to engage in
tortious conduct and an
acceptance of that invitation
is sufficient for
conspiracy... Let's bring this
to a close. I don't think
either party is being alleged
to have acted in any
particularly way
Judge
Mehta: I'm just trying to
apply to law to the facts
here. Defense: These
plaintiffs don't have standing
- Congress members are not
officers of the US. And
Capitol Police Officers, while
important, are not
either. Judge Mehta:
It's not limited to that
Judge
Mehta: Let's take a break.
Judge Mehta: Let me ask about
Mr. Giuliani and Mr. Trump,
Junior. I'm trying to
distinguish between two
conspiracy: one to forment
distrust in the election,
which doesn't violate the law.
The other, to prevent by force
the activities of Mr.
Swalwell.
Plaintiffs'
lawyer: Mr. Trump Junior, his
words cannot be taken in
isolation. Judge Mehta:
But there's no call to arms.
So how do you get there, with
the President's son?
Judge
Mehta: What about Mr Giuliani
calling members of Congress
during the riot and telling
them to take advantage of it?
Wouldn't that get it past the
motion to dismiss stage?
Defense: He was just
implementing the Professor
Eastman plan, to delay...
Judge
Mehta: The Supreme Court in
Evers said the speech couldn't
be linked to the violence
between the latter happen much
after. Here, it didn't.
Defense: The words President
Trump used doesn't rise to any
level of violence. Defense:
What about the Congressional
baseball shooting?
Judge Mehta: I
only want to talk about this
case. Defense: You can't make
these decisions in a vacuum.
Members of Congress use
language like this. The First
Amendment only works when it
is applied equally.
Judge
Mehta: To suggest that I treat
people different based on
their party is inappropriate
and I ask you to avoid that. I
hope I have demonstrated that
in this hearing. Let's stick
to what matters. Defense: None
of what I've said is an
indictment of the Court
Now Congressman
Brooks, speaking for himself,
proposes to read a statement.
Judge Mehta: It's too late in
the afternoon for that.
Brooks: It's different, and
less than the 10 minutes
allotted to me. I acted in the
scope of my employment
Brooks:
Every speech I gave was within
the scope of my employment.
Plaintiffs allege that
opposing certification of
electoral college submissions
can be subject to lawsuit.
Democrats do it too, including
-- Judge Mehta: I am not
questioning your votes that
day
Judge
Mehta: Do you accept that the
DOJ distinction between
electioneer and your
employment as a
Congressmember? Brooks:
I did not violate any House
rule of ethics on January 6.
The House Ethics Committee
agreed with me.
Brooks: Your
Honor, I'd be happy to get you
a copy of the House Ethics
Committee complaint and
decision. Judge Mehta: Please
do. We'll make sure it gets
into the docket.
Now DOJ lawyer:
we believe Rep. Brooks was
outside the scope of his
employment on January 6.
Argument
continues past 5 pm:
"Congressman Brooks is asking
to have the United States
substituted for him. It is
absurd. This Court must have
deference to the House- Judge
Mehta: Even on the facts? Is
this letter only from the
Chairwoman?
Brooks: This was not a
campaign event. The campaign
was over. This was a legal
proceeding. No ethics laws
were violated and the Ethics
Committee agreed. Judge
Mehta: Let's take another
break.
Judge Mehta: Just
because a statute has been
violated doesn't mean you have
a right of action. I will get
to a ruling on this. Thanks
for your time this afternoon.
Adjourned
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