FEDERAL COURT,
August 23 --
Months after
the DC
Circuit's
decisions in
US v. Munchel and more
recently
Tanios, on
August 23 DDC Judge Amit P.
Mehta
had before him
Capitol breach
defendant
Joseph Hackett.
Hackett
brought guns
to outside of
DC, as part of
the Oath
Keepers. But
he was not as
responsible as
others,
Judge Mehta
found, and
ordered him
released.
Afterward he said he
wish he'd been
told that
Hackett's wife
runs a
political
podcast. Inner
City Press
live tweeted
it here
- and its
podcast here:
Now Jan
6 case of US
v. Hackett
before DDC
Judge Mehta,
with
references to
Kelly Meggs
and others
incl
Harrelson,
[video on whom
Judge Mehta
released to
Inner City
Press after
application, see
below]
Hackett's
lawyer: To the
extent the US
says Mr.
Hackett
transported
weapons to the
hotel, he did
not intend to
use it, or
bring it to
the Capitol. I
have not
digested the
evidence
Hackett's
lawyer: He was
asked to serve
as the point
person for
five or six
people from
Florida. He
can be
distinguished
from Mr. Meggs
- Mr. Hackett
was not
directing
anyone else,
he just passed
on directions
Hackett's
lawyer: If
there a
concern about
future
conduct, Mr.
Hackett has no
access to guns
anymore. Judge
Mehta: Were
the guns
legally owned?
Hackett's
lawyer: Yes.
Every single
one.
Hackett's
lawyer: The
guns are
family
heirlooms.
[Laugher]
Hackett's
lawyer: For
Florida, it
doesn't look
like as many
as the
government
would like you
to fear. AUSA:
What Mr.
Hackett was up
to before the
summer of 2020
is not
relevant. He
joined the
Oath Keepers
AUSA:
As we get
closer and
closer to Jan
6, we see Mr.
Hackett taking
on a
leadership
role. He tells
people to use
ProtonMail so
they can't be
tracked, and
to use cursive
AUSA:
He starts
logging in
only under his
moniker, using
a VPN. Our
investigation
is still
ongoing. Mr.
Hackett was
particularly
meticulous
about his
operational
security. He
was better at
hiding his
tracks. His
phone was not
captured by
the AT&T
towers
Judge
Mehta: There's
evidence about
meetings and
organizing, my
question is
does the US
have evidence
to planning
prior to
January 6
regarding an
incursion of
the Capitol
building?
AUSA:
I'm not
prepared to
speak about
evidence about
an actual
incursion
AUSA: They
were planning
for
eventualities.
It may not
have been as
specific as an
incursion of
the Capitol
that the Oath
Keepers were
prepared to do
on January 6.
They were
communicating
with the
person in
Virginia by
Signal.
Hackett has
ammo in his
attic
AUSA:
The alarms are
blaring, there
is tear gas,
Mr. Hackett is
in the first
wave. He was
only inside
for 12
minutes, but
that's not the
point - it's
his intent.
AUSA:
He has been
radicalized.
Has he forgone
that? We don't
know. He was
living with
his wife and
daughter when
he did this.
Hackett's
lawyer: I wish
I had more
opportunity to
meet with my
client. As an
officer of the
court, it
seems to me
that things
have changed
Hackett's
lawyer: His
wife wasn't
thrilled with
much of the
content Mr.
Hackett
brought to the
dinner table.
We are
proposing no
access to the
Internet.
Judge
Mehta: Give me
a couple
minutes to
collect my
thoughts. I'll
be back [to
rule] Thread
will continue.
Judge
Mehta is back.
He says: This
is a
presumption
case, he faces
10 years or
more so the
rebuttable
presumption
attaches. Let
me to the
brass tacks:
the conduct
here is more
than
troublesome.
Judge
Mehta: He
brought
weapons to the
border of DC
for use, it's
not clear to
me what the
trigger would
have been, the
pun
intended... It
was dangerous
and cannot be
minimized.
Inside the
Capitol
building, you
were with
Meggs and
Harrelson, two
people I have
held
Judge
Mehta: We are
infer that
Meggs and
Harrelson were
looking for
Nancy Pelosi.
That is
troubling.
Your counsel
has done a
good job
trying to
contextualize
how you ended
up there. An
honest member
of the
community with
an 11 year old
daughter, it's
mystifying
Judge
Mehta: I've
tried to
develop a
consistent
approach to
these
detention
hearings, I've
lost count how
many I've done
in this case.
I took to
leadership, in
the lead-up
and the day
off, actual
destruction
and threats
particularly
to law makers
Judge
Mehta:
Compared to
Mr. Meggs and
Mr. Harrelson,
Mr Hackett
resembles them
in certain
respects. He
brought guns,
he joined them
in the
Capitol. He
went to the
Speaker's
office. That
favors
detention
Judge
Mehta: That
said, I think
Mr Hackett is
differently
situated. He
is not at the
top of the
pyramid like
Mr. Meggs, or
a rung people
like Harrelson
who spoke with
Person-1, the
leader of the
Oath Keepers,
after January
6
Judge
Mehta: The
Circuit has
recognized
that
leadership is
a key to
detention.
Here, it's not
to the same
degree as Mr.
Meggs or Mr.
Harrelson. On
Jan 6 Mr.
Hackett seems
to have been a
follower.
Judge Mehta:
We have clear
communications
from Mr. Meggs
that he was
looking for
the Speaker.
Mr. Hackett
didn't say
that, even if
he may have
thought it.
It's just an
inference.
Finally,
unlike Mr.
Harrelson who
had a To-Go
bag and a book
how to live
off the grid
Judge
Mehta: Mr
Harrelson's
wife gave
potentially
misleading
testimony
about the gun
found in the
house. That
evidence is
not here. US
has cited the
Circuit's
recent cases,
all of which
are
unpublished
but I review
all of them.
Kater involved
assaultive
behavior
Judge
Mehta: It's
now August 23,
we're 7 months
removed, the
US has no
evidence of
continued
involvement
with the Oath
Keepers by Mr.
Hackett in
this time. So,
I am going to
grant the
motion to
release him.
AUSA:
Mr. Hackett's
wife hosts a
political
podcast
concerning the
events of
January 6. You
should tell
Mr. Hackett
not to
participate.
Judge Mehta:
It would have
been good to
know that
before I
released him
into the home.
Do not
participate in
her podcast
Hackett:
I think she
would stop
that... Judge
Mehta: It's
her First
Amendment
rights. But
don't
participate
and don't use
a phone, other
than a
landline. We
are adjourned.
On Kenneth
Harrelson on
August 5,
Inner City
Press filed a
letter and
motion with
Judge Mehta, on
its
DocumentCloud
here.
On August
16, this:
"Judge Mehta
is in receipt
of your email
requesting
access to the
videos filed
in United
States v.
Harrelson, No.
21-cr-28-10.
Under Standing
Order No.
21-28, in
order for the
court to grant
Inner City
Press access
to the videos
filed in Mr.
Harrelson’s
case, you will
need to file
an application
for access
pursuant to
D.D.C. Local
Criminal Rule
57.6."
That rule provides:
"Any news
organization
or other
interested
person, other
than a party
or a
subpoenaed
witness, who
seeks relief
relating to
any aspect of
proceedings in
a criminal
case... shall
file an
application
for such
relief with
the Court. The
application
shall include
a statement of
the
applicant's
interest in
the matter as
to which
relief is
sought, a
statement of
facts, and a
specific
prayer for
relief."
So,
citing the
Rule, Inner
City Press
filed another
letter, one page,
docketed
here
Now on
August
19, it's been
granted (shouldn't
have been
necessary):
"MINUTE ORDER
as to KENNETH
HARRELSON (10)
granting Inner
City Press's
343
Application
for Access to
Video
Exhibits. The
United States
shall make
available to
Inner City
Press the
video exhibits
entered into
evidence
during the
detention
hearing of
KENNETH
HARRELSON
(10),
consistent
with the
procedures set
forth in
Standing Order
21-28. Inner
City Press is
granted
permission to
record, copy,
download,
retransmit,
and otherwise
further
publish these
video
exhibits.
Signed by
Judge Amit P.
Mehta on
8/19/2021."
So now,
immediately,
put on Inner
City Press'
YouTube, video here
Similarly,
Inner
City Press
asked DOJ and
then Judge
Timothy Kelly
for access to
the videos
that DOJ had
shown to the
court in the
case: judicial
documents
that, under
case law, must
be made
available to
the public. But
it was denied
access, on the
theory that
Judge Kelly's
order earlier
in the month
limited access
to these judicial
documents to a
particular
sub-set of the
public.
Inner
City Press on
July 27 wrote
to Judge
Kelly,
including in
the form of a
motion, now on DocumentCloud, here.
By noon the
next day, July
28, nothing -
no responses,
no response.
We'll
have more on
this. For now,
podcast here;
music video here.
Inner
City Press
live tweeted
Riley June
Williams on
January 25, here.
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