On Terrorism Detainee Saipov US Says
Could Depose in Neighboring Country But
Delay on Tap
By Matthew
Russell Lee, Patreon Thread
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SDNY COURTHOUSE,
Sept 27 – Sayfullo Saipov has
been facing a trial that may
result in the death penalty
for killing eight people with
a van along the West Side
Highway.
On June 3
U.S. District Court for the
Southern District of New York
Judge Vernon S. Broderick held
a conference on the case and
Inner City Press live tweeted
it, here
and below.
The upshot?
Federal Defenders do not want
to travel to Uzbekistan
despite a State Department
authorization. And they want
to wait to see if new Attorney
General Garland issues a
policy against seeking the
death penalty. It was strongly
implied that Saipov would
plead guilty to life without
parole. Podcast here.
On August 6 the
US wrote to Judge Broderick
that depositions in Uzbekistan
in the Fall of 2021 would be
fine. But Saipov's Federal
Defenders said not so fast,
the government there wants to
sit in and anyway, new SDNY
COVID policy amid the Delta
variant will not allow enough
jurors. They note that "over
50 countries are currently at
Level 4 of the State
Department's travel advisory,
including the UK, Ireland,
Greece, the Kyrgyz Republic,
Portugal, Cuba, South Africa,
the BVI, the Maldives and the
Netherlands." And yet the UN
still plans, now as of
September 10 despite a
statement from the presumptive
new Manhattan BP Mark Levine,
an "honor system" no-vax
General Assembly week on
September 21. Speakers' list here.
On August 12,
Judge Broderick has sided with
the defense on this:
"ENDORSEMENT: Given the low
vaccination rate in Uzbekistan
and the rising COVID-19
infection rate, I find that it
is premature to schedule Rule
15 depositions at this time.
Within 30 days, the parties
should file a joint status
letter updating me on their
discussions regarding
alternate locations for the
depositions and the protocol
that will be used. The parties
should inform me whether any
of the countries proposed by
defense counsel are viable
options. The parties are also
directed to update me within
30 days regarding defendant's
potential deauthorization
request."
And now on
September 27, weeks after the
US Attorney's Office filed a
letter saying it was reviewing
unnamed countries for "travel
conditions in light of the
pandemic," Judge Broderick
held another proceeding. Inner
City Press again covered it.
The US said it
just heard that a "neighboring
country" would allow
depositions without the ground
rules the defense had
questioned. But the defense
still have questions, and
Judge Broderick said since he
has a civil trial from June 27
to approximately July 15,
2020, this trial might well be
after that. A letter is due
October 8. Watch this site.
The June 3
thread: Assistant US Attorney
says the US State Dep't has
approved discovery trip to
Uzbekistan including "no
quarantine when back."
Judge Broderick
asks, Even if it's mission
critical, aren't the health
risks the same? AUSA: Things
seem to be getting better.
Judge Broderick:
What if the alert is still in
place in June when the parties
might sit for the Rule 15
deposition?
AUSA: If things
change, we'll adjust. Sure,
it's Level 4. But the State
Department has approved it.
Judge Broderick:
Have the Federal Defenders
ever before gone to a "Do Not
Travel" location? AUSA: Yes,
there's an EDNY case...
AUSA: People in
Uzbekistan are paying enough
attention to our courthouse
that they write to us and say,
We say that you have big
courtrooms ready for trials.
So we want to move on this.
Federal
Defender: I am not going to
send people there, with other
international organization
saying Don't go there, even if
you're vaccinated. So I don't
think it makes sense to
schedule aspirational dates,
it would impact the court
generally.
Federal Defender:
We also have a different
Administration, which will be
reviewing all capital cases.
We would like time to consider
applying for de-authorization.
Judge Broderick:
Is there any reason the
parties can't now complete the
discussion of the protocols
taking into account both COVID
and the travel danger issues?
AUSA: Yes, those
discussions should be had.
And, we will do the Rule 15
somewhere outside of
Uzbekistan, perhaps
Kazakhstan.
Judge Broderick:
At some point you just have to
make a decision. How much
difference is there going to
be, between Uzbekistan and
Kazakhstan?
Judge
Broderick: It seems that the
defense doesn't want to do it
under the requirement that the
government of Uzbekistan may
require. Let me hear from the
government, then I'll address
the deauthorization issue.
AUSA: We was not
aware there were still these
issues
AUSA: We
didn't know that Federal
Defenders had issues with
Kazakhstan, too. It's
disconcerting. We were almost
ready, back in March [2020].
Mr. Patton, from his public
and non-public sources,
probably knows more than I do
about the DOJ process
AUSA: There
are been some applications
made to the DOJ. There is a
protocol in place for it to
happen. And we submit, it
should happen now.
FD Patton: On
logistics, we talked about
this last year. I can point to
the transcript. And also off
the record.
FD Patton:
The US Attorney's Office
declined to talk with us about
it and said, Let's take it to
the judge. We want to petition
for de-authorization, but
we're waiting to see if there
is a policy change coming.
Patton: If
the government is willing to
resolve this case with an
offer of life without parole,
we would like to go down that
path. Judge Broderick: Policy
changes can take some time. Do
you know when it's going to
happen?
Judge
Broderick: There is a process
in place for de-authorization.
You could apply in this
case. What is your time
frame?
FD Patton: I
don't know when DOJ will issue
new guidance. It came up in AG
Garland's confirmation
process. But I don't know when
FD Patton: Let me
put a finer point on it. If
the death penalty were off the
table, I don't think there
would be a questionnaire. I
don't think there would be a
trial.
AUSA: We
can't wait for a policy
change. What if it comes and
then Mr. Patton says he's
hearing rumors that might
change? Judge Broderick: On
the de-authorization issue, I
need to hear more. My
inclination is to tell you,
Mr. Patton, to move forward
with applying
Judge
Broderick: Is the DOJ
machinery, in this
Administration, up and
running? Can they decide on
[de-authorization]
applications submitted? I'd
like the defense to explain
what prejudice it would suffer
by applying. 2 weeks, meet
& confer
Judge
Broderick: I'll exclude the
time to 30 days from now under
the Speedy Trial Act. Anything
else?
AUSA: Our June 9
letter is obviated by the new
deadline?
Judge Broderick:
Yes.
On May 17,
2021, Judge Broderick said he
wanted to hear more about
Saipov's request for delay:
"ORDER as to Sayfullo
Habibullaevic Saipov: I am in
receipt of Defendant Saipovs
May 13, 2021 letter motion
asserting that it is premature
to schedule Rule 15
depositions and a tentative
trial date given the current
risk of traveling to
Uzbekistan. (Doc. 379.) I
would like to discuss these
issues with the parties.
Therefore, a telephone
conference is scheduled in
this matter for June 3, 2021."
On October
8, 2020 the US acknowledged
late production of discovery
but made other arguments: "Re:
United States v. Sayfullo
Habibullaevic Saipov, S1 17
Cr. 722 (VSB) Dear Judge
Broderick: We write in
response to the defendant’s
September 24, 2020 letter
concerning the Government’s
recent production of
additional recorded statements
involving Saipov (the “Defense
Letter”). In November 2018,
the Government produced to the
defense 683 telephone calls,
135 text messages, and three
emails involving Saipov that
the Federal Bureau of
Investigation had collected in
separate terrorism
investigations pursuant to
classified surveillance of
other individuals. Unbeknownst
to the Government, this
production did not include 41
intercepted telephone calls
involving Saipov (the
“Additional Saipov
Intercepts”) collected in the
course of those
investigations. Following an
inquiry from the defense in
April 2020, the Additional
Saipov Intercepts were
identified and subsequently
produced on July 15 and 24,
2020, along with five
additional calls.1 The
Government should have
identified and produced the
Additional Saipov Intercepts
earlier, and we do not seek to
excuse their late production
through this letter. The
Government explains below how
the Additional Saipov
Intercepts were identified, as
well as the additional
diligence the Government has
undertaken since then to
ensure its compliance with
Rule 16. The Government
further describes additional
discovery diligence conducted
since April 2020 in the
Classified Supplement.
1 These
five additional calls (dated
August 16, 2015, September 9,
2015, October 2, 2015, March
21, 2016, and June 13, 2016)
were subject to the protective
order entered by the Court on
October 29, 2019 (Dkt. No. 191
at 2-3), and are addressed
further in an ex parte
classified supplement to this
letter (the “Classified
Supplement”). The Government
discovered today that it
produced these five calls on
July 24, 2020 though the calls
are subject to the protective
order. The Classified
Supplement addresses topics
raised in the Government’s
motion pursuant to Section 4
of the Classified Information
Procedures Act (“CIPA”). Thus,
the Government respectfully
submits that the Court should
review the Classified
Supplement in camera and ex
parte because it addresses
matters subject to the
protective order entered by
the Court on October 29, 2019.
The Government’s
late production of the
Additional Saipov Intercepts
was the result of inadvertent
human and technical errors.
The undersigned prosecutors
have worked in good faith for
years to comply with their
discovery obligations, respond
to discovery requests and
questions from the defense,
and provide documents and
information well beyond what
Rule 16 requires. Given that
context, the defendant’s
suggestions of intentional or
outrageous misconduct are
unfounded and thus no
evidentiary hearing is
required. If the defense
believes that the Additional
Saipov Intercepts provide a
basis for reconsidering the
discovery motion, reopening
the suppression hearing,
and/or seeking other relief,
the defense should file an
appropriate motion or motions
setting forth the bases for
those requests. See, e.g.,
United States v. Blumenberg,
506 F. App’x 53, 54 (2d Cir.
2012) (“[R]econsideration will
generally be denied unless the
moving party can point to
controlling decisions or data
that the court
overlooked—matters, in other
words, that might reasonably
be expected to alter the
conclusion reached by the
court.” (citation and internal
quotation marks omitted));
United States v. Tzakis, 736
F.2d 867, 872 (2d Cir. 1984)
(denying motion to reopen
suppression hearing because of
defendant’s failure to develop
“any significant, new factual
matters that would have been
developed at such a hearing”);
United States v. Oliver, 626
F.2d 254, 260 (2d Cir. 1980)
(same). The Government does
not object to Saipov filing
such submissions, but they
should not be ex parte and the
Government should have an
opportunity to respond to
them. The Government
ultimately believes that any
such motions would be without
merit. Like the interceptions
produced in November 2018, the
Additional Saipov Intercepts
captured innocuous and
non-pertinent conversations
about topics including
Saipov’s work, family,
friends, and travel."
On April
23, Judge Broderick said there
will probably be no SDNY jury
trials until the Fall.
Federal Defender Patton said
he does not favor keeping the
jury pool to which
questionnaires were previously
given. He said people's
answers might have changed.
AUSA
Houle said the government does
not object to dismissing that
pool.
Judge
Broderick agreed, adding that
their personal situation might
have changed as will have the
timing of the trial, "perhaps
some time next year."
Ms. Thomas
said, We'll leave a message
that they no longer need to
call, the usual discharge of
the jury. With the thanks of
the court, of course.
Judge
Broderick looked forward: Once
we start letting members of
the public back into the
courthouse, what actually
needs to happen from each
party's perspective, in terms
of the openness of the court
and of society, to move this
forward? Travel from overseas,
social distancing.... There
with be communications from
the Chief Judge, and from the
governor about restrictions,
or the Federal government.
Judge Broderick said, The next
date in is June, tied to the
day the Chief Judge excluded
Speed Trial Act until. "We
could extend that if needed,"
he concluded. Inner City Press
will continue to cover this
case.
Previously, on April 19
Saipov's Federal Defenders
raised questions: "United
States v. Saipov, (S1) 17 Cr.
722 (VSB) Dear Judge
Broderick: We appreciate the
Jury Clerk’s provision of
well-organized data responsive
to our demand for grand jury
records (ECF No. 218,
Attachment # 1, Declaration of
Jeffrey Martin), which was
endorsed by the Court (ECF No.
294). We write to follow up on
a few incomplete responses: 1.
The data supplied only
included the odd page numbers
for the Jury Plan. Please
provide the entire Jury Plan.
(If any other information that
was meant to be supplied has
the same problem with copying,
please supply the missing
information.) 2. The Form
AO-12 for the Foley Division
was supplied. Because the
Foley Division and the White
Plains Division overlap
geographically, the Form AO-12
for the White Plains Division
2013 Jury Wheel is requested.
3. The email included in Jury
Exhibit #1 is partially
obscured by a sticky note.
Please supply the entire
email. 4. The response to the
request for the voter
registration source list is
"Available directly from Board
of Elections". The voter
registration used to create
the Jury Wheel used to summon
grand jurors in this case is
not the current voter list
available from the Board of
Elections but rather a
historical list supplied to
the Court. Please supply the
list received by the Court to
create the 2013 Master Wheels.
5. The data supplied included
Jury Exhibit #4 (persons
selected as potential grand
jurors), electronic file Pool
101170310, and the 2013 Master
Jury Wheel (Wheel 04
spreadsheet). There are some
inconsistencies between these
files; please explain the
discrepancies. Some of the
persons on Jury Exhibit #4
(persons selected as potential
grand jurors) are not in Pool
101170310 and/or not in the
2013 Master Jury Wheel (Wheel
04 spreadsheet). What is the
explanation for why these
persons are on Jury Exhibit
#4? 7. Some of the persons in
Pool 101170310 are not in the
2013 Master Jury Wheel (Wheel
04 spreadsheet). What is the
explanation for why these
persons are listed in Pool
101170310? Needless to say, we
understand if the Jury Clerk
is unable to access the
requested information until
the courthouse fully
re-opens." Inner City Press
will continue to cover this
case as closely as possible.
At a court
appearance on November 18
before U.S. District Court for
the Southern District of New
York Judge Vernon S.
Broderick, after his Federal
Defender inquired into Saipov
receiving dental care, Saipov
told Judge Broderick he had
not right to judge him.
As Inner City Press recounted
moments later outside the
courthouse on Pericope here
- any use of phones in the
courtroom was prohibited -
Saipov asked Broderick, What
about the thousands or
millions of Muslims killed by
American bombs?
Judge
Broderick replied, I am just
the referee, it is the jury
that will judge you. And it
emerged, that jury might be
anonymous and/or
semi-sequestered.
Much
of the November 20 conference,
delayed by problems with the
sound system for the Uzbek
interpreter, concerned how the
jury will be selected. Some
3000 questionnaires will be
mailed out, asking potential
jurors about hardship but not
disclosing what the case is
about.
Judge
Broderick said, with response
rates to such summons being
being 30%, perhaps it was
better to spring more
information on the prospect
once they were in court.
Federal Defender alluded to an
"incident" in which
unspeficied inappropriate
language was used; Judge
Broderick responded but left
the issue murky. Then Saipov
asked to speak, and did. The
case is US v. Saipov,
17-cr-722 (Broderick).
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