Milo Yiannopoulos Says His
Source A Cannot Be Named So Posits A Source B
to SDNY Judge
By Matthew
Russell Lee, Patreon
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SDNY COURTHOUSE,
Oct 23 – Milo Yiannopoulos has
been subpoenaed for
information for a lawsuit
about the United the Right
event, Sines v. Kessler, et
al., 18-cv-72 (W.D. Va.)
On July 29 U.S.
District Court for the
Southern District of New York
Judge Katherine Polk Failla
held a motion to compel
hearing, with Yiannopoulos by
video.
Inner City Press
live tweeted it, here
and some below. We are
publishing the M at Milo.net
emails saying "I am intensely
sympathetic to the aims of
your lawsuit as they relate to
Richard Spencer... Stop lying
to the court," on Patreon here.
Now the
second half of October Milo
Yiannopolous has written to
Judge Failla: "Dear Judge
Failla: Re: Sines et al. v.
Yiannopoulos I write to
clarify the nature of my
sourcing on Richard Spencer,
and to provide additional,
definitive detail about the
origins of the material I have
been publishing on YouTube
over the last couple of years.
I also write today with an
update on my attempts to
source the recordings
Plaintiffs seek. It is a
regrettably short update: I
have been unsuccessful. It is
commonplace for journalists to
be vague, even to the point of
inconsistency, about the
nature and number of our
sources. We must take every
conceivable effort not to
inadvertently identify those
to whom we have given solemn
assurances. But I have read
your Order carefully, and I
accept that you are in need of
a concrete response. I am
content to provide it. Source
A Source A is the person from
whom I received every video I
published on YouTube and
supplied to the Plaintiffs,
along with basic descriptions
of what the videos show. I
have been in semi-regular
contact with this person, who
initially indicated that they
would be willing to co-operate
with Plaintiffs, but then
subsequently: (a) insisted
that I not disclose their
name, even under seal, and;
(b) denied that he had been
the one to play me the
recordings Plaintiffs are
seeking. That situation has
not changed since you last
heard from me. While his
version of events does not
match my recollection, I have
little choice but to assume I
could be wrong, and that
therefore there exists a:
Source B Source B would be the
person who played me the
tapes. I have a dim
recollection of various
individuals who were at the
party on the evening in
question, but I would only be
speculating recklessly about
which, if any, of them it
could have been.
Thank you
for your patience with me in
these proceedings thus far,
and for allowing me to file my
submissions in this manner. If
I can be of any further
assistance in this case,
please let me know.
Respectfully submitted /s/
Milo Yiannopoulos"
In mid-October
Judge Failla issued a ruling
including that "3. The Federal
Journalist’s Privilege Applies
The Second Circuit has
articulated a qualified
privilege for information
gathered in a journalistic
investigation. See, e.g.,
Gonzales, 194 F.3d at 29; In
re Petroleum Prods. Antitrust
Litig., 680 F.2d at 7-8;
Baker, 470 F.2d at 778. In
order to establish that the
journalist’s privilege applies
in the Second Circuit,
Respondent must establish that
(i) he was acting in “the role
of the independent press,”
(ii) “‘at the time the
gathering of information
commences.’” Chevron Corp.,
629 F.3d at 307 (quoting von
Bulow, 811 F.2d at 145). “The
primary relationship between
the one seeking to invoke the
privilege and his sources must
have as its basis the intent
to disseminate the information
to the public garnered from
that relationship.” von Bulow,
811 F.3d at 145. Movants argue
that Respondent cannot assert
the journalist’s privilege
because he was gathering
information and cultivating
his source in order to pursue
a personal feud with Richard
Spencer, and was thus not
acting in the role of an
independent journalist. (Mov.
Br. 9). Respondent replies
that at the time he “acquired
the identity of” his source,
he was employed as a
professional journalist at
Breitbart, and, further, that
he “learn[ed] the identity of
the source in the course of
gathering or obtaining news” —
not in pursuing a grudge
against Spencer. (Resp. Opp.
3-4 (internal quotation marks
omitted)). The factual record
is both thin and slightly
muddled. The parties focus
their arguments on
Respondent’s intent at the
time he obtained his
confidential source, as well
as his role while attending an
“afterparty” at which the
source allegedly showed
relevant recordings to
Respondent. (See Mov. Br. 6-8,
9; Resp. Opp. 3-4; Mov. Reply
4-6). Respondent states that
“when [he] acquired the
identity of the source and
listened to materials and
became aware of various facts
in the course of reporting,
[he] was at the same time a
senior salaried professional
reporter at” Breitbart. (Resp.
Opp. 4). Breitbart is a
controversial website with an
overt bias, “[b]ut the
touchstone is not ... whether
the journalistic enterprise
was ‘unbiased’; by that
standard, few, if any, daily
newspapers could assert the
privilege. Rather, the test is
whether the enterprise
intended to express its views
publicly, or merely to engage
in private lobbying.”
Schiller, 245 F.R.D. at 119.
Breitbart does not primarily
engage in private
lobbying, regardless of its
editorial vision or the merits
of the content that it
publishes. Cf. Chevron Corp.,
629 F.3d at 308 (declining to
find that a reporter
commissioned “to serve the
objectives of others who have
a stake in the subject of the
report” is acting in the role
of “an independent press”).
Respondent asserts he was
writing about white supremacy
“at the time in question,”
making conversations with
white nationalists “directly
relevant to [his] daily
work[.]” (Resp. Opp. 3). Thus,
to the extent Respondent
acquired his source and/or
learned about the relevant
documents while employed by
Breitbart, he has sufficiently
invoked the journalist’s
privilege, even if he later
developed a personal grudge
against Spencer. See id. at
307 (distinguishing between
“proper invocation of the
privilege, where the purpose
to disseminate the information
motivated the gathering of the
information,” and “improper
invocation, where the
information was gathered for
other reasons and the intent
to publish arose only later”).
Movants further assert that
the afterparty at which
Respondent was purportedly
shown the relevant files
happened after Respondent
resigned from Breitbart in
February 2017. (Mov. Reply
5-6; see also Mov. Br. 7 n.6
(citing news article about
Respondent’s resignation from
Breitbart in February 2017)).3
The timeline is not entirely
clear, so the Court next
addresses the possibility that
Respondent cultivated his
source and/or obtained
relevant information after
leaving Breitbart. Respondent
asserts that he was not
motivated by a personal grudge
at the time he cultivated his
source, regardless of the
timing, and further argues
that he attended the
afterparty “for journalistic
purposes.” (Resp. Opp. 3-4).
This assertion is supported by
the fact that Respondent has
been publishing content about
white supremacist ideology
since he left Breitbart, even
if not for a formal media
organization and even if
published in an unorthodox
style. (See, e.g., Bloch
Decl., Ex. 5, 6, 10, 16-18).
Movants ask the Court to
discredit Respondent’s
assertion that he attended the
afterparty with a journalistic
intent because Respondent
claims to have consumed
significant amounts of alcohol
at the party. (Mov. Reply
5-6). The Court notes that the
consumption of alcohol at a
party does not vitiate
journalistic intent.
Journalists may wish to attend
a party in order to gather
information, or to meet and
cultivate potential sources,
any of which goals may be
furthered by the consumption
of alcohol. Even if the Court
discredits Respondent’s
representations as to timing,
the Court is not convinced
that Respondent was motivated
only out of a personal grudge
against Spencer. Spencer is
himself a newsworthy subject,
and publishing information
about him, even if tinged with
personal dislike, can still be
motivated by an interest to
“disseminate information to
the public,” Chevron Corp.,
629 F.3d at 307, and to
promote “debate over
controversial matters,” von
Bulow, 811 F.2d at 144. As
noted above, after leaving
Breitbart, Respondent was
still engaged in disseminating
information about the far
right to the public,
through his blog, social
media, YouTube, and elsewhere.
(See, e.g., Bloch Decl., Ex.
5, 6, 10, 16-18). Respondent’s
style of disseminating
information may be
confrontational and biased,
but it is not wholly without
journalistic content, and
protecting even Respondent’s
muckraking style protects the
“public interest in the
maintenance of a vigorous,
aggressive and independent
press capable of participating
in robust, unfettered debate
over controversial matters.”
Baker, 470 F.2d at 782."
Judge Failla
concludes that, "
Movants’ motion to compel is
DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE to
its renewal on a more detailed
record, and Respondent’s
motion to quash is DENIED as
moot. Within one week from the
date of this Order, Respondent
is ORDERED to submit in
writing the total number of
confidential sources that he
seeks to protect from
disclosure by his invocation
of the journalist’s privilege.
Within two weeks of receiving
Respondent’s submission,
Movants are ORDERED to file a
supplemental submission on the
issue of whether the privilege
can and should be overcome,
and Respondent is ORDERED to
respond to this submission
within two weeks of receiving
Movants’ submission.
Additionally, the Clerk of
Court is directed to unseal
the filings at docket entries
17 and 20, except that the
exhibits to the filing at
docket entry 17 shall remain
sealed."
Inner City Press
will continue to cover this
case, as many others in the
SDNY. This one began this way:
Milo Yiannopoulos
is saying he'd like to see
Richard Spencer in jail but
doesn't like "the funders of
this lawsuit, the ADL."
Milo
Yiannopoulos: I just publish
stuff as I get it. Spencer
spent $10,000 to doctor a
video to make it appear I was
singing to white nationalists.
I'm happy to help them with
this lawsuit, I just don't
have anything. I'm happy to
comply with any court order.
Judge
Failla: I'll swear you in.
Milo Y: I'm a Christian.
Judge Failla: ...
so help you God. Milo Y: I do.
I was served at the Roger
Stone trial. Judge Failla: The
subpoena was from November
2019. And you met plaintiffs'
counsel in Dec?
Milo Y: That
sound right.
Judge Failla: You
published the Spencer video
within 48 hours of receipt?
Milo Y: Yes. And
I wrote about it. I heard from
a reporter at the Washington
Post that he had heard similar
things privately from Spencer
as well. So I asked about that
in my piece.
Milo Y: The
FBI called me on my cell phone
and asked to meet.
Judge Failla: Did
you meet?
Milo Y: Yes.
Judge Failla: Can
you talk about it?
Milo Y: I prefer
not to.
Judge Failla: Had
you made a representation to
movant's counsel that you had
no such materials?
Milo Y: Let me
look it up. Judge Failla: I
believe it was April 6 of this
year. Milo Y: That the video
dropped? Judge Failla: Yes.
Milo Y: I
met with them once in their
offices in the Empire State
Building. I think it's in my
online calendar. Give me a
moment. 11 am, Wednesday Dec
18. Judge Failla: That's what
my law clerk says.
And we're
back: Movant's counsel
Benjamin White says that Milo
Y recorded a video about the
subpoena, flashed at camera an
orange hard drive calling it
"the vault," saying it was at
his home in New York. It is
responsive to our subpoena.
Was he lying then or now?
White: Mr
Yiannopoulos says he was
"messing around." But it has
hurt our case, and wasted our
time. He has proposed today
one possible solution -
allowing an inspection of the
devices. Let's start with the
vault.
Judge
Failla: It may just be that he
was playing you. But it does
not mean that he has
responsive materials. What
evidence of it do you have,
that the representations he is
making to me today are false?
Answer: The
specificity of his
descriptions of what he had
Movants' lawyer:
We are asking your Honor to
test the accuracy of what Mr.
Yiannolpoulos is saying.
Appoint a master to look
through the materials. He's
offered his cell phone and his
email addresses. Let's search
them.
More here.
The case is
Sines, et al. v. Yiannopoulos,
20-mc-241 (Failla).
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