SDNY
Jury Hears Honduras President JOH Took
Cash and Said Drugs Up Gringos' Noses
By Matthew
Russell Lee, Patreon Song Filing
BBC
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UK - Honduras
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SDNY COURTHOUSE,
March 16 – Honduras President
Juan Orlando Hernandez took a
briefcase of cash and said he
would stuff drugs up the noses
of the gringos, a jury was
told on March 16. The audio
call-in line, at the demand of
the prosecutors was cut off.
But Inner City Press live
tweeted it, here:
Now "Witness-1"
for whom the US Attorney's
Office demanded cut of the
call-in line, is on the stand.
Pending the transcripts they
said would be quickly
available (where?), Inner City
Press will live tweet:
AUSA: Did
you see other individuals on
the defendant's property at
Cerro Negro that day? How were
they dressed? Witness-1: Como
personas de la ciudad [Like
city people]
Witness-1: I gave
them the money, and I pulled
back from the property. AUSA:
Focusing on the 2d time you
delivered money to Cerro
Negro, how long after the 1st
time was it? W1: 3 months.
AUSA: Who asked you to go
there? W1: Mi jefe.
Judge
Castel: We'll take our
mid-morning break. Juror
Number 1, if you don't mind
remaining behind for a moment.
Judge
Castel (to Juror # 1, we are
not describing the juror): So
what's going on? [Answer]
Judge Castel: Am I correct
this was not on the record
during jury selection? I said
the trial was expected to last
2 weeks. I don't believe this
was brought to my attention
Judge Castel:
When I was in college, if I
missed a class, I got the
notes from someone else. But
jury service is not like that.
This would stop it for all
jurors. Another juror has a
commitment the week after.
Shutting it down Friday would
extend it for everyone
Juror 1:
Understood. Judge Castel:
Thank you very much. We are
all in this together. I
appreciate it, and I know the
parties do too. Inner City
Press @innercitypress · 58m
Judge Castel is back, he asks
if the parties object to him
doing a sentencing while this
jury is empaneled. AUSAs say
they want time to check back
in the office. Fuentes'
lawyer: In MCC jail they
intend to move him, for God
knows what reason.
Judge
Castel tells AUSA to look
into. Says trial -- apparently
still without call-in line -
will start late tomorrow.
AUSA: Mr. Sanchez, who is this
(Exhibit 315)
Witness-1: Julio
Cesar Barahona. AUSA: And when
they referred to "the Boss,"
who did you understand it to
be? Fuentes' lawyer:
Objection! Judge Castel: I'll
allow it. Witness-1: Juan
Orlando Hernandez.
Witness-1:
I made out the check, my boss
signed it, and I gave it to
Julio Cesar Barahona. AUSA:
What did you think "Help the
fellow out" meant? Witness-1
(after objection overruled):
To help Geovanny Fuentes.
AUSA: While
Juan Orlando Hernandez was
running for president, for
what purpose would he could to
Graneros? Witness-1: For
campaign support.
AUSA: How did he
receive campaign
contributions? Witness-1: As a
check from Graneros. AUSA: Who
gave him the checks? W1: Me
AUSA: How
much did he get every months?
W1: 250,000 Lempiras. AUSA:
Did you see him talking with
Fuad Jarufe? W1: Yes. AUSA:
Did Juan Orlando Hernandez say
what he would do when he
became president? W1: He said,
We will be untouchable.
AUSA: Beyond the
business-owners, who did Juan
Orlando Hernandez say would
support him? W1: The military.
AUSA: Show Government Exhibit
318 Defense: No objection.
W2: It's Juan
Orlando Hernandez... and
"Chinchia" AUSA: Did you see
Leopoldo Crivelli with Juan
Orlando Hernandez? W1: Yes. He
is called "Polo." AUSA: What
did Juan Orlando Hernandez
say? W1: Los Hondurenos son
pendejos.
AUSA: Were you
present for meetings between
the defendant and Juan Orlando
Hernandez? W1: Yes. AUSA:
Where was the 1st one? W1: In
the office of my boss in
Graneros. My boss told me in
the morning, "Viene Juan
Orlando hoy."
AUSA: What did
you see there? W1: A military
helicopter. AUSA: Where did
the meeting happen? W1: At the
round table. AUSA: Why were
you there? W1: There were
dollars to be transferred.
Present were Juan Orlando
Hernandez and the defendant
AUSA: When you
arrived, where was Juan
Jarufe? W1: Round table (mesa
redonda). AUSA: Where were
Juan Orlando Hernandez and the
defendant? W1: En la mesa
redonda. I sat on the blue
chair, about a meter or meter
and a half from them.
AUSA: What
was your reaction to seeing
them together? W1: Temor. I
couldn't believe what I was
seeing. AUSA: Why were you
afraid? W1: I was seeing a
candidate for president with a
narco-trafficker, together.
Defense: Objection! Judge
Castel: Overruled.
AUSA: How
did the defendant address Juan
Orlando Hernandez?
Witness-1:
Juancho. AUSA: Did you call
him Juancho? Witness-1: No.
Witness-1 (narrative) Juan
Orlando Hernandez said, By the
time the Americans become
aware, we'll be untouchable.
We'll put drugs up the noses
of the gringos and they won't
even be aware of it [dar se
cuenta]
AUSA: What
did gringos refer to?
Witness-1: The North American
people. AUSA: You mentioned
amending the law, what'd you
mean by that? Fuentes' lawyer:
Objection! Judge Castel: What
did you understand those
referring to amending to mean?
W1: Eliminating extradition.
Inner City Press
@innercitypress · 14m AUSA: Do
you know who Tony Hernandez
is? W1: The brother of Juan
Orlando Hernandez. AUSA: What
did Juan Orlando Hernandez say
about Tony? W1: That the
defendant should follow the
instructions of Tony
Hernandez, in the drug
business.
AUSA: Did
the defendant have anything
with him? Witness-1: Un
maletin / a briefcase. AUSA:
Did he open it? When? W1: When
Juan Orlando Hernandez said he
would put the drugs in the
noses of the gringos, then the
briefcase was opened. It was
full of dollars.
Witness-1:
The defendant gave it to Juan
Orlando Hernandez. He said,
Para que te ayuda con la
compana / so that it helps you
with the campaign.
AUSA: What
did Juan Orlando Hernandez do
with it? Witness-1: He gave it
to me and said, Jose, cambia
lo. I said, En nombre que
quien quiere el cheque? Then I
counted it, on the round
table. Juan Orlando Hernandez
was there.
AUSA: What
was Juan Orlando Hernandez
doing?
W1: Tomando un
trago y chequeando su celular
(Having a drink and checking
his phone).
Judge Castel:
We'll take a lunch break.
Don't discuss the case.
The question
remains: Does the right to
access to Federal court
proceedings extend to
listen-only telephone lines,
in the time of COVID and
beyond? Should it?
The
question has been further
raised in the ongoing Honduras
narco-trafficking case US v.
Geovanny Fuentes, which Inner
City Press has been covering
in-person in the U.S. District
Court for the Southern
District of New York, where it
is "in-house press."
On
the morning of March 13, Inner
City Press filed a challenge
to the cut-off of audio access
to the US v. Fuentes trial,
citing the First Amendment,
COVID and real-world politics,
see here
and below.
Late on
the evening of March 14, the
US Attorney's Office filed a
three page letter into the
docket, specifically arguing
the the call-in line be
eliminated for two entire
Witnesses and everything they
say. US Attorney's Office's
letter, now uploaded on Inner
City Press' DocumentCloud, here.
Inner City
Press has immediately
responded in opposition, here,
stating among other things
that "the US Attorney's Office
seeks to specifically ban
public access to two of their
Witnesses, while saying that a
transcript would be available
at some unspecified date
afterwards. Given that the
Office has yet to unseal
improperly redacted portions
of their filings, there is
little reason to have
confidence in the speed of
transcription, or that such
transcripts would not be too
expensive for the public or
media.
Inner City Press
after its first filing waited
nine hours, including this song,
here, to report about
it. Full first letter on Inner
City Press' DocumentCloud, here.
Inner City
Press itself obeys all
existing rules and is grateful
for the additional access as
in-house media (particularly
since it is banned
from covering the UN, which
now Constitutional rights such
as the First Amendment exist).
But others
have rights too - including
journalists and regular
citizens of Honduras. If the
SDNY prosecutors are going to
exercises essentially
universal jurisdiction for any
wire transfer that passes
through lower Manhattan, how
ever briefly, they should not
oppose access to their trials
by those impacted, for better
and worse.
Judge Castel is a
good judge, in Inner City
Press' experience. When
petitioned he has ordered the
unsealing of certain court
documents, in a North Korea crypto-currency
conference case and the tech /
child sex sentencing
of Peter Bright former of
ArsTechnica, both of which
Inner City Press covered and requested.
And Judge Castel is certainly
in the mainstream in his March
12 psoition. But should it be
rethought? Is there a right?
Should there be? Watch this
site.
The case is US v. Diaz, 15-cr-379
(Castel).
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